Taking the plunge

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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by KBM17g » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:23 pm

[quote name='Rocky' date='31 October 2012 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1351740971' post='233033']

What it isn't possible to run in the back in a street stock? Call me a wanna be all you want there ISN'T too many tracks where you can run modified where I am and a Street stock realistically is a 20 thousand dollar race car, if you build new for a good piece work your ass off to go out there and race for 200 bucks to win against a bunch of guys running like it's the Daytona 500 or get 200 bucks for rolling onto the track and go faster. Am I a real racer, no not so much, I guess. If I was a real racer I would RACE more and bullchit on the internet less might have run better than second in a feature.... probably wouldn't have left home but then again I've run in 4 states with no sponsors and ad hoc help. Built 3 race cars in the last 6 years 2 for me one for a buddy once again for the most part it's just me and my tool box in a little garage. I want to run Late Model and I'd rather not fiddle around the rest of my life running every division all the way up. I DON'T have time for that. I'm not gonna be racing cars forever and I don't plan to be in the back forever either. I mean yeah when I finally am running good I'm still gonna show up and be like ahh crap there's Ronnie Johnson and Chris Madden over there.... Why on earth would I rather run against the big boys, cause I would. so be it.





What's really the difference between a mod and a Late Model anymore anyways, mods are totally outta control.

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You're missing my point.......and to clarify, I race on a shoestring, it's just my wife and I and maybe a straggler once in awhile. My point was that if you had a choice to race and be competitive, learning as you went, in a lower division; than going out there, running in the back all the time in the highest division. I'd choose the lower division. Maybe some people disagree with this statement, but my opinion is running in the back doesn't net you the most learning. I've done my fair share of running in the back and I'll tell you, it wasn't until I was able to actually RACE with those guys did I learn what I was capable of. I'm climbing up to a division where most of my heroes play, I'm not intimidated. The only reason I can say that is that I know what I can do and I know I have confidence in my ability. I also have confidence in my equipment and for the first time this year, more than 75% of the car will be brand new. Meaning, I won't be buying someone's throw-aways that they wouldn't bolt on a lil red wagon!


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Sawmill » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:55 am

Gee, differing opinions on an internet forum..never woulda thought that would happen!..lol



KBM17g..I understand what you're saying, and part of my thinking is to keep that competetiveness at bay in myself so I'm not deciding the family likes PB&J every night, so put more money into the car. I'm never satisfied, so I'm doing my best to convince my self that if I want to realize my dream of running the 1/2 mile at Toledo its not gonna be near the front. That might mean that if I like it and am relatively competent I'll be frustrated relatively quickly, but we'll burn that bridge when we come to it!



Krooser..you're actually doing it while I'm still talking, so I'm not saying anything about what you spend. You'll be out there, and thats what matters. I seriously doubt Rick Hendrick is gonna show up one night with a golden ticket, and that ride woulda been yours if only you had a better car.



rwdmonte...you had the benefit of having a dad that did it, so you knew what was comming. By the time I came around my father had gotten it all out of his system and wanted nothing to do with it. He never raced on the track, but sure had some fun cars and alot of running on the street. i like the idea of starting in a higher class because if it's all new to you, why not learn near where you want to be. I'm not saying anything bad about the smaller classes, and I know I'd get my a$$ handed to me in them too, it's just not where i want to be.



Rocky..you're doing it, and the way you want too. If you realize that it's just gonna be a hobby and that you're never gonna out-equipment the other guys, you take what you can get and let them spend ridiculous amounts to win small purses. In the off season these are the guys that play basketball against 7th graders and revel in their victories!



Right now I'm reading all I can, and looking for teams near by to try and learn what I can. I'll probably never be a contender, and might be the guy that can only come a couple nights a season, but I don't want to keep saying I wish i'd done it.


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Exit82 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:24 am

Sawmill,



Trust me, all these guys are not try to mess up your dream, they're trying to save you a headache! <img src='http://www.mstrc.net/public/style_emoti ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



I've been there and I have made the mistakes and learned my lessons the hard way, they are just trying to help you take shortcuts to realize your dream based on what they've already learned from their experiences.



As you will learn, EVEN just being out there and running in the back takes a lot more than what the averge Joe or casual fan realizes.



To me, it doesn't matter what division you start in, if you want a late model, then do it.



But the best advice I have seen so far is to get hooked up with a team and learn basic chassis setup from someone who already has the knowledge and to buy yourself a race ready competetive car at the track. (You will win in the long run by purchasing race ready IMO.



The advice that I haven't seen given (Maybe I missed it) is that when you get your car, go to the track on test days and practice all you can. Don't make the mistake I did of going to the track and racing without ever being in a racecar or on a racetrack before. lol (You can probably guess how that went).


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Sawmill » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:36 am

[quote name='Exit82' date='02 November 2012 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1351869893' post='233077']

Sawmill,



Trust me, all these guys are not try to mess up your dream, they're trying to save you a headache! <img src='http://www.mstrc.net/public/style_emoti ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



I've been there and I have made the mistakes and learned my lessons the hard way, they are just trying to help you take shortcuts to realize your dream based on what they've already learned from their experiences.



As you will learn, EVEN just being out there and running in the back takes a lot more than what the averge Joe or casual fan realizes.



To me, it doesn't matter what division you start in, if you want a late model, then do it.



But the best advice I have seen so far is to get hooked up with a team and learn basic chassis setup from someone who already has the knowledge and to buy yourself a race ready competetive car at the track. (You will win in the long run by purchasing race ready IMO.



The advice that I haven't seen given (Maybe I missed it) is that when you get your car, go to the track on test days and practice all you can. Don't make the mistake I did of going to the track and racing without ever being in a racecar or on a racetrack before. lol (You can probably guess how that went).

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LMAO! I'm all for jumping in, but just jumping into a race with no laps in the car or on a track..you're my hero!

I agree that buying somthing that's set up is best..if you know nothing how could you decide if it's you or the car? (from experience in other things I tend to look at me first now)

Looking for some people to hang out with and watch now..and with the season over I can take some time and learn somthing.


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Rocky » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:28 pm

[quote name='KBM17g' date='01 November 2012 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1351823022' post='233068']

You're missing my point.......and to clarify, I race on a shoestring, it's just my wife and I and maybe a straggler once in awhile. My point was that if you had a choice to race and be competitive, learning as you went, in a lower division; than going out there, running in the back all the time in the highest division. I'd choose the lower division. Maybe some people disagree with this statement, but my opinion is running in the back doesn't net you the most learning. I've done my fair share of running in the back and I'll tell you, it wasn't until I was able to actually RACE with those guys did I learn what I was capable of. I'm climbing up to a division where most of my heroes play, I'm not intimidated. The only reason I can say that is that I know what I can do and I know I have confidence in my ability. I also have confidence in my equipment and for the first time this year, more than 75% of the car will be brand new. Meaning, I won't be buying someone's throw-aways that they wouldn't bolt on a lil red wagon!

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Look if it wasn't for guys without a chance to win.... nobody would go to the races and watch. I'll tell you this, I have a pretty fast race car. I just don't really get too many chances to run in 2011 I got a late start on the car cause of detachments made it out 2 times broke once then next time I was super super slow and had to start workups by the end of the season 2012 came back from 6 weeks on the boat had a month of summer with the car ready, roughly, put 4 hoosiers on and got rained out 2 times raced once MUCH better still not good but better and I'd never even seen that track in person before still ran better . I mean I'm on sea duty. matter of fact, I'm on the boat right now. I guess I could have built a street stocker, I thought about it. Jumping from mini stock to late model is a ridiculous off the cliff jump sure and the first time I got in that car I came on here and I believe I said I just don't have it. When I think about it, I know I can do it and in 2013 after a few more runs, I'll be able to race some guys maybe not for no wins but I think some top ten runs are do able.





To be honest man, I'd have a hard time in any division other than well the stock 4 cylinders. My job makes racing pretty dificult, I should have gotten a dirt kart just didn't want to do it. So since I absolutely insist on doin' it the hard way..... Why not make it the HARD WAY.... LOL. I know you gotta feel that. You might not choose to do the same if you were me and I can understand that too. I think ol' Sawmill here'll find his own way whatever it be.
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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Krooser » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Here's my take... FWIW.



I drove/built/wrenched on dirt cars from '68 until '87. I was also on the promoter's end of this game from '83 until '88. Got burned out and my (then) new bride couldn't take the pressure of running two tracks on a weekly basis so we got out...



Now I'm back in.... and I'm not only working on a promoting deal but I'm going to drive some street stock stuff at a couple local tracks.



Bought an old, bent Malibu that will get a new front stub and a $150.00 Olds 330 engine. I have already bought some used shocks, wheels and springs. Why buy new when used will do? Most of this stuff was cheap... I have less than $300.00 in 10 wheels, six springs and 6 shocks. I have two spare bare frames... and a few extra a-arms, etc. So far I'm in for about $1200.00. I should be race ready at under $2G's....



My point is I want to race but I don't have much $$$... all my money will go for new clay, fixing my water truck, fencing, new lighting and a grader. I picked my priorities... cheap car or race track equipment... I chose both. I'm trying to promote cheap racing at my track and I guess I put up rather than shut up.



If you can only afford a cheap car than race it and move up when you can afford it. I'd sooner race a street stock than stand on the other side of the fence and wish I could afford a LM.



BTW... I'm 63 years old... if I don't get this out of my system now I may never get the chance.



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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Sawmill » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:55 pm

Well, it took almost 4 more years, but I finally made it out there!

Glad this forum is back


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by fastbackss » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:11 am

[quote name='Sawmill' date='03 December 2017 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1512352557' post='244689']

Well, it took almost 4 more years, but I finally made it out there!

Glad this forum is back

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Well you need to give more information than that <img src='http://www.mstrc.net/public/style_emoti ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />



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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by Sawmill » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:46 am

[quote name='fastbackss' date='04 December 2017 - 07:11 AM' timestamp='1512389470' post='244690']

Well you need to give more information than that <img src='http://www.mstrc.net/public/style_emoti ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />/>

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That was a bit short wasn't it?

June of '16 I bought a Flatrock SS....car has been around forever and I'd heard some good things about it. Driver is lacking but getting better and with a lot of help from some experienced people I think we'll have it running top 10 A main this year. (If I can fight the urge to go up in that 3rd lane no one is using!...lol)

My biggest surprise, aside from the fact that a trailer is harder to find than I thought, is that almost every other driver and team will help and give advice to the new guy! Granted, I went in humble and freely admitted I knew nothing, but the people couldn't be nicer.

Being on the other side of the fence is definitely a different place.


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Re: Taking the plunge

Post by fastbackss » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:16 pm

[quote name='Sawmill' date='04 December 2017 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1512398761' post='244692']

That was a bit short wasn't it?

June of '16 I bought a Flatrock SS....car has been around forever and I'd heard some good things about it. Driver is lacking but getting better and with a lot of help from some experienced people I think we'll have it running top 10 A main this year. (If I can fight the urge to go up in that 3rd lane no one is using!...lol)

My biggest surprise, aside from the fact that a trailer is harder to find than I thought, is that almost every other driver and team will help and give advice to the new guy! Granted, I went in humble and freely admitted I knew nothing, but the people couldn't be nicer.

Being on the other side of the fence is definitely a different place.

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Now that is a much better summary, thank you.



Most people are helpful. You will learn those who aren't quick enough.



I appreciate your last comment. The perspective gained from "the other side" was surprising to me. I like being able to consider from both the paying side and the entertaining side.



Good luck next season...



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